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Howdy folks,
Thossa you who are able to remember anything besides the insane musica that was dropped by a certain bassthwocker we all love so dearly might recall that Lorin announced that he would most likely not return to the playa. Although I am sure that there are a million reasons behind this decision, some of the main ones must involve:
1) How much of a "party scene" burning man is. What is the place of an activist DJ in a venue where (s)he feels that there is an exclusive focus on the side of any gathering that s/he prefers not to cater to?
2) The inability of soundcamps to apply for art grant funding from the BORG (there's already a good discussion of this on the burning man tribe bm.tribe.net/thread/de7b...d6d14a6eed1a ) and the huge amounts of debt that soundcamp organizers take on in order to create their venues.
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Also, what could venues in general (not just BORG or specific soundcamps) do to facilitate more activism/ conscious gathering-centric events?
The flipside: what more could an artist (not just Lorin) do to bring about the same end?
And when is it too much?
I'm just personally curious about what y'all think.
Thossa you who are able to remember anything besides the insane musica that was dropped by a certain bassthwocker we all love so dearly might recall that Lorin announced that he would most likely not return to the playa. Although I am sure that there are a million reasons behind this decision, some of the main ones must involve:
1) How much of a "party scene" burning man is. What is the place of an activist DJ in a venue where (s)he feels that there is an exclusive focus on the side of any gathering that s/he prefers not to cater to?
2) The inability of soundcamps to apply for art grant funding from the BORG (there's already a good discussion of this on the burning man tribe bm.tribe.net/thread/de7b...d6d14a6eed1a ) and the huge amounts of debt that soundcamp organizers take on in order to create their venues.
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Also, what could venues in general (not just BORG or specific soundcamps) do to facilitate more activism/ conscious gathering-centric events?
The flipside: what more could an artist (not just Lorin) do to bring about the same end?
And when is it too much?
I'm just personally curious about what y'all think.
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Tue, September 16, 2008 - 8:52 PMI think I got what he was saying. I don't know if he mentioned any thing on any other night. But Yes to our freedom. I would like to think that when I leave Burn we are going out and facilitating positive changes. Just going to Burn is a huge change for some folks. Not every one is on the same vibe train as every one else. But over all, this is an election year and every thing from women rights to just our basic needs as Americans are on the table. Yes, a present of mindfulness is called for. But how can Lorin be the judge and executioner? The way of change is not to push what is but to live it your self. I was just glad to hear someone slam-the- hammer down at Burn. I myself do not want to wake up one day and think about what was once, because we all just sat around and let the bullies, trapped in fear-base- ideologies, say that we can no longer do something. This will not come to pass. But WE have to make sure that this is not the case. That is what I took from what he said. The part about wanting to be payed for DJ is only what I heard on the Playa.
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 3:34 PM(seriously, guys, click that freaking ringtone ad every time you see it so they'll see there's a superlow follow-through, that is SO annoying!---- not that you're not cuteorwhathaveyou, Lo, but that picture sux, maybe you should take it off the media kit on your website...)
I like what you say, Suzie. I arrived as Lorin was making his speech and only caught the jist of it, thanks for the further fill-in.
Oh, and paying DJs to play at the burn seems like a bad idea to me...
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Sun, September 21, 2008 - 10:08 AMAlex Grey put it best: "Burning Man is the cusp of new reality creation."
There was a good handful of sound camps that I visited that put forth an exceptionally cool vibe that invited good behavior, good vibes, good dancing, good participation. Entheon was one of these camps. Their ability to construct a perfect context really cut down on the atmosphere of "wasted party people" and invited more of the vibe that I'm used to at a Lo Sho.
To a degree, I can understand frustration at the whole "Burning Man as excuse to get wasted for a week straight" vibe. Psychedelics are an especially prevalent and important aspect of Burning Man, but the Prohibition mindset that we've got regarding illegal drugs means that many people aren't able to separate recreational drugs from sacrament.
Still, my time spent in Black Rock City was 99.9% love and harmony and really fucking intentional and intelligent people, and about 0.1% wasted-bro-dodging. I think that the spirit's definitely alive at Burning Man, and I think that the place is still one of the most fertile grounds for activism and positive-seed-sowing. Like I say to everyone who claims they'll stop going because too many looky-loos show up: if we all leave for supposedly-greener pastures because our festival of universal peace/love/harmony is getting too popular, that's when it truly becomes a fratboy fest. As such, we have an obligation to keep participating in what is really the centerpiece of our culture.
The trick is to turn those people into Burners. It's hard being confronted with ignorance or apathy. Still, the truly savvy sorcerers out there - and I definitely include DJs in that group - convert wisdom to ignorance, apathy to participation, awakening the pure inner artist in the hearts of frat-boy weekend warriors. After all, none of us were born rockstars; there was a *lot* of awakening that happened along the way.
Personally, one of my favorite things about BM this year was being able to walk around and just see some fucking amazing artist/musician/DJ (like when I randomly stumbled upon Kid Beyond beatboxing in Center Camp - that was an unexpected pleasure) going off like crazy. If Bassnectar doesn't show up next BM, I'm sure my playa experience will not collapse (especially since I was so tired by Saturday that I went home to pass out immediately after the Man burned anyway). The Glitch Mob show, the Vibesquad show, DJ Icon... there's a glut of stunning experiences to catch all over the place. Bassnectar would be missed by many, but the people who really get it will find ways to have a big enlightened blast anyway.
Still, speaking as a DJ, I would have some sincere regrets about bailing on the chance to play to such an awakened crowd. Here's my official two-cent suggestion to the aforementioned certain bassthwocker: find a really great theme camp (or installation or art car) that you like and trust and perform an unannounced show there under an assumed name. A low-profile show for friends and passersby - as well as people who will go see an artist they've never heard of before, instead of those who attend BM to only see the big-name DJs - might change your perspective on Burners. -
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Sun, September 21, 2008 - 1:38 PMI was waiting for this thread, er, waiting to start one like it, but whabam, here it is.
I actually heard Lorins speech myself. The first part I can really dig. It was like "hey, were all here partying, and its a big fuckin party, but there are bigger issues and consciousness to think about an d incorporate" <<<maybe thats just the way I heard it. I LOVE when an artist brings those thoguhts out of our subconsciousness onto the table. Its a great feeling of Hey, were all here, and heres the world, too. Were out in a desert and we can really feel the earth spin out there. Me personally, along with PLENTY of other burners, walk aroudn and eat our psychedelics in KNOWLEDGE of what is going on around us. We all discuss and feel the planets pain, and our appreciation to be here now, in NEON colors. Its overwhelming and a crazy feeling. When Lorin dishes those thoughts out on a mike, its a beautiful thing.
But, what taints it for me personally, is a slight tone in his voice like he doesnt believe people are feeling the way I described. Almost like hes talking as if were a bunch of fucked up party drones. THere are a lot of those around sure, but they dont need to be talked down to....they need to be lifted up. Michael Franti has always been good at that.
Then, when Lorin threatened that "He wouldnt be back unless things change at BMan" <<<pretty direct quote.....THats when I cringed and Im like WTF? Threaten the fans and friends of Root Society OOOOHHHHH yer gunna leave so lets start trying to change BMan? That probably worked well for a small handful of people in the crowd.....but ya know what it did to the majority probably ? It messed with our heads like, well fine then, Im sure we will have an impacting and life morphing Burning Man without you. IMO the threatening doesnt heal the situation. I can understand the punk rock way to get it thru, and all Michael Franti tactics of Embrace, positive, etc...dont always work......and sometimes the revolution is bloody.....but in that situation in MY opinion, he could of gotten thru to people in a better way. GRACE is IMPORTANT, too.
BTW I loved the last few posts DJ and etc......really awesome and I feel similar!!! I always find so much HOPE out at Burnng Man amongst the rubble. Its a yin yang.....its demolishing wasteful symbolism, but theres consciousness building and inspiration. If its Lorins or whoevers choice to boycott, right on. But I know why Im going back. -
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Sun, September 21, 2008 - 1:46 PM"Also, what could venues in general (not just BORG or specific soundcamps) do to facilitate more activism/ conscious gathering-centric events? "
Maybe not be afraid to ask the crowd to help pick up trash more often?
I personally have been effected by an MC or an artist asking to help pick up trash around you, at whatever festival Im at or event.....BMan too......Fuck it, break the flow of the music, do it nice and gracefully and with tact, (theres an art to that) and more trash DOES goet picked up.
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Sun, September 21, 2008 - 4:20 PMOh yeah dude, the trash! On the playa, I felt really glad that Burning Man had a different feel from other festivals particularly due to the LNT aspect of the culture... until I got to some of the places with superstar DJs and the like. Then, it was beer cans and roaches and butts and glowsticks and all the usual shit... endorsing the simple act of mooping is an easy way to start helping to include people! -
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 7:26 AMSimple acts....a lot easier to comprehend than grand scale "if Burning man doesnt change than Im not coming back" IMO.....ANyone else got any thoughts on this speech that bassnectar gave at Root Society? -
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Mon, October 6, 2008 - 7:31 AMMaybe I was just looking for him to give a solution, something we could all do st the moment.....like some kind of inspirational speech so subliminally we would just walk away more conscious of what goes on at Burning man......I do hope more DJs and artists start speaking out and inspiring the masses because there are diffcult roads ahead for a bigger burning man.....just like the earth. Its crazy. But to preach and threat is to turn off and make someone feel ashamed, not inspired. I mean, the musics inspiring, but obvoiusly not enough.
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Re: Whatcha think: no more )'( ?
Wed, October 29, 2008 - 12:07 PMfunny how we hear and remember things based on our own biases. i heard lorin's diatribe as well, but i didn't get out of it the BORG must change, rather that he wanted us all to change and stop partying our asses off without recognizing and becoming involved in the politics of our current situation. as i recall, it was a call to action - a reminder that with the way things are going in this country, if we don't start becoming active in politics then politics is going to take away the freedom that we have to throw events like BM.
i can totally relate to this, as someone who is political and worried about this country and where it is headed. it seems so much easier to just bury my head under a warm blanket of booze and psychedelics. meanwhile, people are being tortured, war is spreading, and the rich become richer while me and my friends lose their jobs.
not sure what it will take to get lorin back to brc. maybe he is too big or too burned out to do the burn. maybe he should take a break and shake a little of the dust out of his ears. that's not for me to say. but i do agree that there needs to be a raising of the level of political discourse and action within the larger community. if we could harness the amazing energy and talent of the people who go to brc every year and redirect some of that action into politics, we really could change the world.
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