http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#185ec496-9acc-4b8e-8130-7f6546f00983 Rastatronics wrote: "you could recognize a definite change in style and sounds from hour to hour as the various DJs played dubstep/grime throughout the evening." I've noticed it, too. I couldn't be more pleased to hear more variety in the texture of the tracks that are being played. Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:51:08 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#185ec496-9acc-4b8e-8130-7f6546f00983 Big Mike 2009-12-27T00:51:08Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#7f656470-8b4d-4d24-a888-f7cb379a513f There is so much propaganda for staying asleep America, sorry if you feel uncomfortable when someone is in your face telling you to WAKE UP and do something! Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:51:35 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#7f656470-8b4d-4d24-a888-f7cb379a513f Satya 2009-10-28T14:51:35Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e37fbafd-9501-4e7b-8354-db21d5c78d31 AJ- Want to hear what he said? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-_nBjSOfyw How is being an activist hypocritical? If your art gives you a microphone with which to organize your community, how is it acceptable NOT to use it? Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:31:13 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e37fbafd-9501-4e7b-8354-db21d5c78d31 Lia 2009-08-03T02:31:13Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a14a273f-4584-4e08-8a0f-9a3dbc9ed77b That was because the 40 year old community studies program he graduated from at UC santa cruz was being shut down. We hope that our events (and community in general) can be about more than "bouncing to the choonz." More here: http://www.bassnectar.net/2009/05/ucsc-administration-gettin-womped-the-bad-way/ Thanks for the feedback <3 Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:26:12 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a14a273f-4584-4e08-8a0f-9a3dbc9ed77b Lia 2009-08-03T02:26:12Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#750a410c-70eb-463d-8432-49bd17054142 > He also harangues the audience I gotta admit it wasn't what I was expecting when I saw Bassnectar in Santa Cruz last May. He seemed to stop the music every couple of tracks to share his thoughts. Some of what he said was cool, but I was there to bounce to the choonz and found the interruptions distracting. I don't know any other DJs that do this type of thing, but I guess he's more of a music performer these dayz. Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:19:42 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#750a410c-70eb-463d-8432-49bd17054142 Big Mike 2009-07-28T02:19:42Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#2079ede6-f055-4900-b557-568893f9b7e4 He also harangues the audience with his left of loonytown politics. In between and during tracks as a bonus. I wasn't there but I heard that at Burning Man 2008 he berated the audience for being at burning man instead of activisting or something. It sounded priceless. If you're going to go hypocrite, go all the way. Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:55:44 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#2079ede6-f055-4900-b557-568893f9b7e4 AJ 2009-07-27T19:55:44Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#63b048f0-3705-4ab8-b236-b4d426eafc63 normzlly i would not take that offenzif . but just to do a recall drum and bass has been around for aleast 10 -15 yrs unlike some other stuff! respect Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:02:16 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#63b048f0-3705-4ab8-b236-b4d426eafc63 SOLID ICE RECORDS 2009-07-26T19:02:16Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#61b5054d-efad-43b3-b25e-d739838537da Bassnectar is coming to town next week. From the threads here, it sounds like he's still quite into the glitch/dubstep sound that he got into around the beginning of 2008. Don't think I'll be catching his show because dubstep / loppy beats are not at all to my taste / vibe. Miss the KILLER breakbeat sound from 2004 - 2007 - that shit was legendary. Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:56:34 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#61b5054d-efad-43b3-b25e-d739838537da BrettFromTibet 2009-07-22T19:56:34Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3ccbd732-b667-446c-97bd-f6f4c361e044 too much Access Virus = annoying as hell so many people are using it to make dubstep. Try something else? Please? I can't even listen to it much anymore. Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:41:07 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3ccbd732-b667-446c-97bd-f6f4c361e044 $item.owner.firstName 2009-06-18T00:41:07Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3abe3197-f866-45cb-bff2-b85f969b5a66 4 + hours of dubstep in a row = annoying psychic blowout then again, what im used to is a variety of music planned to flow into each other semi stylistically but mostly it is a fad of the times it will die like everything i love/hate Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:44:06 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3abe3197-f866-45cb-bff2-b85f969b5a66 ACKlabs 2009-06-17T23:44:06Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8ff79d8f-5427-49ae-bbb4-5133add65d9a in SF, probably 1/3 was dubstep.... he was playing jams for sure - nero, doorly, number9ine, widdler, eskmo, and others... he attracts a much different crowd than attends regular dubstep shows, and i think his style reflects that... Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:10:17 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8ff79d8f-5427-49ae-bbb4-5133add65d9a absurge 2009-06-03T01:10:17Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0cb8a355-57a9-4f89-ab1f-243085b97bfb <<"I do get the feeling that he's playing more for the younger crowd that digs the dubstep stuff though">> lmao Sense when is dubstep youngster music??? Most dubstep shit I go to has a crowd ranging from 21 to 30's. Is that considered a young crowd? Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:24:14 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0cb8a355-57a9-4f89-ab1f-243085b97bfb Kløne 2009-06-01T07:24:14Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#06c75848-2a1f-48ff-8feb-5472582c6644 I just wan't the wobble, the basss to lift me off the ground... and slam me back down... like his the 05-07 shit! Sun, 31 May 2009 22:52:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#06c75848-2a1f-48ff-8feb-5472582c6644 Nates 2009-05-31T22:52:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5ac4e8c8-111c-47c2-8d68-ae93ff3ef40c Hmm... unless the set at the Fonda was radically different than what I've been hearing, I have a bit of a feeling that people are confusing dubstep with the unnamed (unnamable?) crunchygrindgrind that has been pervading lately. Some dubstep, yes. All dubstep? DEF not. And might I add that, since Lorin's current label is solely his own (Amorphous music) he is most certainly influenced by the label bigwig pressure, as he IS the label bigwig. Be assured that Lorin is creating as he pleases. Also, and, um, bear with me here, I discovered that the more I listen to Lorin's new stuff, the more I was able to appreciate it. In analyzing myself, I realized that the driving force behind my enjoying his older stuff more is that it is more familiar to me. As the current sound gets familiar to me, I find that I still have the same love for it, if not more. It is hard for those of us who get a listen of the current sound only once, twice a year, to get into the groove of it because, within the unnamable genre of crunchygrindgrind, the work that he churns out is still so unique. Sun, 31 May 2009 20:29:51 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5ac4e8c8-111c-47c2-8d68-ae93ff3ef40c Lia 2009-05-31T20:29:51Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e83acebd-65fb-4764-bb70-762db3776058 Just saw Lorin last night at the Fonda in Hollywood. I have the utmost love and respect for him. I've been a rabid supporter of him for about 10 years. I've always been amazed at his ability to infuse, mutate, and take the lead on dance sounds for an amazingly fickle, musically advanced crowd. I will probably always pay to see him and buy his records based on his repertoire. That said, I will admit that I'm not sweating it out on the dancefloor with him the way I used to. Dubstep, to me, is more of a listening experience. Or best served in light touches in a DJ set. But not 90% of a DJ set like last night. I know a lot of people to go to his shows because of the range he's known for, and those sick tracks that come out of nowhere and make nothing else matter in that moment. I do get the feeling that he's playing more for the younger crowd that digs the dubstep stuff though. I hope that Lorin knows he has the talent and smarts to get away with returning to a wider genre range. He broke my ears open years ago with new musical possibilities. I am fairly sure the dubstep kids are also open minded. Maybe there's label pressure or other influences I don't fully appreciate, but he used to largely ignore fads, and I'm patiently awaiting that next step. Love ya Lorin. Sun, 31 May 2009 00:40:38 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e83acebd-65fb-4764-bb70-762db3776058 >Gabe=> 2009-05-31T00:40:38Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fba5a4d8-d7f5-4e63-a67a-d4f1e0de945d I'll be honest when I say that I really did enjoy the more ethereal sound of Bassnectar past. In my opinion (also as a performer) is that dubstep took off like a rocket ship to the stars. Once hard junglists found a softer side in dubstep. Not that this is so much a bad thing, but junglists (following the steps *no pun intended* of hip-hop artists) have found their softer side. The off-beats of dubstep are easily marketable and more over easier to appease the masses into. Spaced out trippiness often only appeals those who can appreciate it. But reggae beats and hip-hop breaks are accepted by many. I do enjoy the rolling basslines of dubstep but (like electro in the rave/club world) it's a sound that is best placed in a set rather than the complete focus of the who composition (a set being a composition played in its own right). Sun, 17 May 2009 01:59:03 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fba5a4d8-d7f5-4e63-a67a-d4f1e0de945d D^3 2009-05-17T01:59:03Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#12017b06-41eb-45ac-887c-e6014effc285 YEAH! Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:00:16 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#12017b06-41eb-45ac-887c-e6014effc285 Simon 2009-03-31T04:00:16Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#63163347-807a-4d3a-b508-830eb286ee01 I cant understand and have no idea how someone could not dance to Art of Revolution. You know you love it! Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:40:21 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#63163347-807a-4d3a-b508-830eb286ee01 Jon 2009-03-21T21:40:21Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dfbec7fb-0c84-4fd8-b521-2b0b3779f14f I cant help but like dubstep since I love drum n bass. The thing for the DJ that makes Dubstep so inviting is the fact that unlike drum n bass, you can mix it into just about anything. If you plan on rocking out some drum n bass then you are stuck at the 170 range all night. Though changing up styles of drum n bass is doable, youre not going to get away too much with throwing in some 140 breaks in there. Ive heard people try it, Ive heard people slow it down to throw in Hip Hop, never liked one single bit of it. So if you are cross style like Lorin is then it gives you the ability to add more variety to your set. To add that drum n bass sound in there to open it up and grasp the other side of the playground is a blessing. As far as it being hot right now, well so was drum n bass when it hit, so was everything else when it hit. Thats the nature of the beast. Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:56:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dfbec7fb-0c84-4fd8-b521-2b0b3779f14f Shawn 2009-02-08T19:56:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a0441c4f-ddae-4d74-a20d-b03eff7aae24 dubbstepp to me is the evolving sound of this progressive positivity in music! i think it hits it all. if ur in a club and dubbstepp breaks out- just listen to the many over layering beats and im sure u will find that u can slow down the beat to catch n dance softly to the grimmey sounds or u can go fuck wild and catch the faster paste riddims!! i think thats the beauty of it- is that it really doesnt matter how u dance to it. i love that its not like house with a completely repetitve beat, that most nightclubs play.....but instead it gives u options on where u want to take ur dance. Lorin is steppin in the right direction by mixin it ALL together. shiiit ive even heard him play slayer, but really,- he does play a lot more breaks/d'n'b/ambient. i think its fabulous that he is willin to venture into anything!! and i also agree with all that have said its about the vibration!!! dubbstepp gives off soooo muuuuch BOOM sound and it has definitely got me hooked to find more DUBSTEP!!! and support deejays playing that. i go out for the love of music n people and stay for the love of movement. so, maybe u dont have to 'get down' to dubstep but tryna keep the positive vibes going n enjoy that there are a lot of people who're backflippin for this shit!! best suggestion: if ur in a club n dont really like where its going....grab another drink n SMILE! :) and enjoy the other smiles u see around. much love'light'n'support!!! <3 [ps. anyone who has heard of some grimmey glitchy dubbstepp-feel free to drop me a line. i love broadening my musical horizons] Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:38:37 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a0441c4f-ddae-4d74-a20d-b03eff7aae24 KatieFace 2009-02-08T19:38:37Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0e0ca92f-a959-4475-b863-9504c2b17308 Dubstep is in fashion right now. It hits heavy. It grounding music and you'll see that reflected in the dancing. Good music is subjective. Vibrations tickle us all differently. Think heavy waves of sound to rock you down! I do like breakbeat, and some drum and bass, and love trip hop, but things evolve, and as do musicians. Those sounds will come back around. Find your dj's a dance! Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:02:28 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0e0ca92f-a959-4475-b863-9504c2b17308 Pierce Bronzen 2009-01-30T21:02:28Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0c64cbbc-c574-4780-afe2-e8dd4dbd755d Lorin has inspired me to really dig deep into this sound along with his signature style and after playing electro house for 5 years Ive spent the past 3 months playin dub, glitch and breaks and loving it (and the challenge) Here's my first mix I did last month .. enjoy =) DJ 007 "The Kreature Inside Me" http://opticoverload.com/007-2.mp3 Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:22:45 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0c64cbbc-c574-4780-afe2-e8dd4dbd755d Mike 2009-01-14T18:22:45Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#d9bc3744-d497-41e1-81b0-53a5f2b3dd62 "I'm in SC, where can I get word of these beats?" http://www.myspace.com/subwize http://groundscore.net/board/viewforum.php?f=13 full calendars are always updated it's a crack-a-lackin round these parts :-) Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:20:18 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#d9bc3744-d497-41e1-81b0-53a5f2b3dd62 Rastatronics 2009-01-14T08:20:18Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#65734951-c64a-4927-abd6-0cf2e316b890 just add the folks that are doing the invites! this fri is gonna be huge at the vets hall!! Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:29:42 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#65734951-c64a-4927-abd6-0cf2e316b890 Chlorophil 2009-01-13T02:29:42Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#afc8f884-dac8-4c29-afbb-66dc0381f620 I will be playing Dubstep tonight @ Giza Hooka Lounge around 11pm some house before me got a bunch of WICKED new tunes I cant wait to share Dub Pirates do a Tuesday night jam at The Pizza joint in the Safeway shopping center on Mission St first fridays @ Cypress are hosted by Subwise every Sat ( I think ) there is Dubstep @ the Giza many other random occurrences also Join the Raindance Tribe for more info Cheers Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:02:47 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#afc8f884-dac8-4c29-afbb-66dc0381f620 ~Lil John~ 2009-01-13T00:02:47Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#c4623e8e-550f-429e-9ae2-6e3a9b2eeeff oi. I'm in SC, where can I get word of these beats? Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:33:56 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#c4623e8e-550f-429e-9ae2-6e3a9b2eeeff $item.owner.firstName 2009-01-12T18:33:56Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6864a523-3e67-4978-b029-7b4bbae7046c "Ooooh yeah, santa cruz loooves zee dubstep~~ We gots such fine dj's representing- not long till it seeps into your bones~ Rastatronics, Mad Zach, Clay, Dub Pirates, Subwize....they all kickin out the ridiculously wobblin dubstep~ mAd for the deep dub sound." Your too kind! We are blessed with loads o' talent in the Cruz and plenty o' steppahs. <3 Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:32:23 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6864a523-3e67-4978-b029-7b4bbae7046c Rastatronics 2009-01-12T18:32:23Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#02cbd978-8ed3-4dfc-9f06-99c89e1dd557 Ooooh yeah, santa cruz loooves zee dubstep~~ We gots such fine dj's representing- not long till it seeps into your bones~ Rastatronics, Mad Zach, Clay, Dub Pirates, Subwize....they all kickin out the ridiculously wobblin dubstep~ mAd for the deep dub sound. Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:06:57 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#02cbd978-8ed3-4dfc-9f06-99c89e1dd557 chandRa LiLa 2009-01-10T07:06:57Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#72758ca0-b8e8-447d-a2fb-6a9584bd5eeb I think this post has made a deal with the devil for abnormally long life. Santa Cruz also loves Dubstep, anywhere that reggae lives is going to love it. If they get to hear the good stuff ! Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:59:48 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#72758ca0-b8e8-447d-a2fb-6a9584bd5eeb ~Lil John~ 2009-01-08T20:59:48Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#95f80d64-04b5-4078-9621-1a61d1487d16 It's True Some Freeky ass Dj Named OHN OUAIS keeps dropping that shit around town... I dunno ya'll apparently Montreal Really loves Dubstep. I mean between Komodo dubs and the weekly night at passport and the new Monthly at Blizzarts starting this sunday Montreal's really blowin up when it comes to those dubstep bassbombs. OBviously there needs to be an influx of WestCoast Dubbers, anonymously or not so anonymously.... Big ups!! Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:45:43 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#95f80d64-04b5-4078-9621-1a61d1487d16 Living~stone 2009-01-08T01:45:43Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b3550d7b-d422-4ad7-a329-eb52762fc9c0 By the way Lorin, Heads Up is slowly becoming a classic at dubstep nights here in montreal. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:08:57 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b3550d7b-d422-4ad7-a329-eb52762fc9c0 Simon 2009-01-07T20:08:57Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dd04f2a2-d170-45cf-9030-2d9ccf6caa2f "I like this genre of music because it push people to learn to dance in their own way instead of dancing the way everyone does. To me, dancing fast is putting energy in the wrong places while dancing slow forces you to get more synchronized with the rhythm and makes you way more entranced." I never thought about it like that but your totally right. Everyone who doesn't like dubstep always says "its too slow to dance to" but I always found dubstep one of the easiest musics to naturally move to. Whereas I always loved drum and bass but found it almost impossible to dance to. Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:27:45 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dd04f2a2-d170-45cf-9030-2d9ccf6caa2f Kløne 2008-12-19T23:27:45Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1ab8644b-88ee-4461-ba88-e3b4043f81c5 Way to say it! I really appreciate your contribution to this discussion. Tis gorgeously iterated. Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:46:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1ab8644b-88ee-4461-ba88-e3b4043f81c5 Lia 2008-12-15T03:46:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#430e5fab-c05e-426a-9270-4f315cbf4260 The beauty of life and music is that it is not all the same, but inarguably connected. In 2008 Dubstep has seen a lot more play at parties and by other DJs that incorporate various styles in their sets. Like any genre of music there are lovers and haters (and the indifferent). I've read a lot of complaining about hearing the same sound over and over regarding dubstep. I helped throw a 12 hour/all dubstep event this summer in the SC mtns. that went off! About 250-300 people I'd guess and good times by all. I bring up this event for a reason. I noticed and it was pointed out to me how you could recognize a definite change in style and sounds from hour to hour as the various DJs played dubstep/grime throughout the evening. There has been a huge change this year with a lot of various styles of production within the genre of "dubstep". As Phil pointed out earlier, there is a def difference in sound between UK and domestic dubstep, but also so much variation from artist to artist and even from track to track by the same artist (if they are good and not over using one type of sound). I started wanting to only buy and play the super rootsy/reggae style of dubstep. I now have really enjoyed mixing a techy/wobbly/instrumental track out of a rootsman skanker's anthem track, and then go into UK grime or the more 4 x 4 bassline dubstep/garage style coming around as of late (go Ripple!). My point is there are MANY different styles of "dubstep" that can be played with throughout a set to keep things sounding fresh and not monotonous. When a DJ or performer is playing music, they should be sharing a part of their heart with the audience. Who are we to criticize how this individual connects with music when someone has appreciated them enough to book them for their event? A DJ ain't a jukebox that you can go up an put a coin in to hear the choon of your choice. I've been at plenty of parties that I have not been real fond of either the style of music or the DJs mixing style (or lack there of). Never thought to publicly trash-talk and stereotype an entire genre that I'm not feelin' or dislike. One mans trash is another mans treasure! Sometimes you can be walking along and see a really ugly rock on the ground, and then take the time to pick it up and discover the amazing beauty on the underside. You can choose to take the time to REALLY look at the rock and carefully decide before judging it and labeling it as ugly, or you can choose to continue to walk along and discuss the ugliness of the rock just seen on the ground. You could also just kick it along with you on your walk and not choose to label or judge it at all and just appreciate it's presence with you on your journey. If you really don't like the choonz or the DJ's set, you have many options as to where you want to be and how you choose to spend your time. I've seen peeps dance harder than I've ever seen to dubstep. I've also seen peeps shake their asses HARD to house, trance, breaks, glitch-hop, jam-bands, drum-and-bass, dancehall reggae, techno, hip-hop........ (do I need to continue?) Variety is the spice of life! I still play DnB blended with dancehall reggae as well as dubstep that is occasionally layered w/ breaks or techno. As DJs, we can build a beautiful bridge between many different styles and genres. Rather then thinking that one is "better" or more "danceable" then another, why not recognize and appreciate that someone just showed you how intertwined and connected all those different sounds are, and respect any DJ that can successfully transition the music and energy between different genres. But hell yeah this is a dubstep takeover ;-) "I'm blind to you fucking haters, can't touch the bullshit creators, me say me busy love lately, ask you how the world a run so?" -Collie Buddz Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:50:17 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#430e5fab-c05e-426a-9270-4f315cbf4260 Rastatronics 2008-12-15T02:50:17Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a44b654c-39b6-49e8-9615-1393cadd95c8 Not at all! I flow like never before, music flowing through me so naturally that I'm not even trying! There's a lot of poorly produced dubstep out there that sounds dark and monotonous, even cheesy at times, but there's plenty of it that is just amazing! I always make sure to do some yoga to get warmed up, and drink my matte before heading out, and my mind, body, and soul feels loose and satisfied when I'm done. I LOVE sunrise sets of dubstep, and oftentimes will sleep in early, get up at 4am and head out to greet the basserific sunrise and smiley faces. If you can't dance to it, well then maybe you just don't feel the music. It's hard to dance to music I'm not feeling, and hard to NOT feel the music flow through me when I am feelin' it. long live dupstep! <3 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:24:05 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a44b654c-39b6-49e8-9615-1393cadd95c8 0ri§ha 2008-12-08T17:24:05Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ae8ec761-48d5-46b8-aa12-d92b8a6b7a6b Kyrian works a lot with the funginears ( http://www.funginears.com/ ) He seems be a pretty ubiquitous collaboration fiend, though. A dubstep track with Kyrian would be damn sweetness, great idea... Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:40:04 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ae8ec761-48d5-46b8-aa12-d92b8a6b7a6b Lia 2008-11-06T03:40:04Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#68dc4bbe-441d-427a-9e05-52ac276f4188 Discovered Dubstep this summer at Shambhala Music Festival... I'm normally a Psytrance/Psybient/Ambient kind of guy. But it seems like I found what I was looking for. Dubstep is new, fresh, wicked, experimental and goes straight in your body and mind. Hypnotizing if you have a good sub system. Just look at pictures of Dubstep crowds. What do you see? What I see is a crowd of people coming from every scenes, dancing like they are totally possessed by the bassline, being crushed under the phat frequencies. I like this genre of music because it push people to learn to dance in their own way instead of dancing the way everyone does. To me, dancing fast is putting energy in the wrong places while dancing slow forces you to get more synchronized with the rhythm and makes you way more entranced. Seriously, I like Lorin's break stuff a lot, but what truly made him interesting to me is his downtempo and wicked bassy stuff (Blow, Kyrian Bee Bop, etc). By the way Lorin, your new tracks are totally amazing! You should try to use Kyrian to do a Dubstep oriented track using his MCing. I totally love his wicked sound. Does he have a solo project or does he work with other artists? Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:39:14 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#68dc4bbe-441d-427a-9e05-52ac276f4188 Simon 2008-11-06T02:39:14Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b93c0496-a873-467d-97d7-17ee4997e38f the thread that wont die! :D Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:29:28 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b93c0496-a873-467d-97d7-17ee4997e38f dale 2008-10-25T07:29:28Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#55ad24a4-73cf-4d70-b525-c8cb05e67074 something a little faster but slower!!!!! Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:15:56 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#55ad24a4-73cf-4d70-b525-c8cb05e67074 Chlorophil 2008-10-24T23:15:56Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0c980555-9da9-4e70-aea3-185e4cf43bf7 I was resistant, untill I realized that I really liked it and that a change of headspace makes it all good. Times change but people and good vibes are constant and hopefully the vibe and music bring that, i'd say evolution keeps ya young! Not being a gangsta myself some of 'that' kinda vibe can be a bit much, but this is not all new school breaks, im no expert by any means on the genres and styles, i'd let figment explain that! I agree that there's some gems in every genre, even, yes, country (jolene, love that). Personally, i'm pretty happy to be back into liking breaks cause my own music is pretty much more on that side than anything else, (but then again raven and i have always been in our own lil fishbowl). big up to positivity, good vibes and rockin tunes.....as far as im concerned as long as you keep it psychedelic (aqka crossing boundaries and elevating) its ALLL good.... and thanks brett for bringing some intellect to all of it! Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:12:18 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0c980555-9da9-4e70-aea3-185e4cf43bf7 Cyril Waterjuice 2008-10-24T23:12:18Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#82a754ba-c1ff-48ed-b2a8-05e3f49d5809 dubstep = faster dance = faster (hopefully more articulate and to the point (as in the 3rd count)of, am dubstep has breaks in between te beat that breakbeat could only dream of having the time to due its the minimilist, mathmatical core of dubstep thats cold, calculating and allows for more release because dubstep wants to catch your breath, so you be feel even freer when the bass kicks the run up to a breakbeat drop is now predictable..the wobbly unpredictableness that appeals to me in all forms of music Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:39:30 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#82a754ba-c1ff-48ed-b2a8-05e3f49d5809 sundancer 2008-10-23T19:39:30Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4c618d42-ce18-4492-95a3-711f77b20899 Long live tha Dub Step Revolution!! Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:14:25 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4c618d42-ce18-4492-95a3-711f77b20899 Alaska 2008-10-23T15:14:25Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8933fb13-039d-4c56-9ea4-559088565781 MALA - hands down the shiznat ! Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:33:28 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8933fb13-039d-4c56-9ea4-559088565781 ~Lil John~ 2008-10-22T19:33:28Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#02cc057f-a1e1-40e0-be6d-d0798c2bc5d4 That Mala set was absolutely amazing and set the bar for me when it comes to dubstep...hands down the best set I heard and danced to at Symbi last year. Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:16:04 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#02cc057f-a1e1-40e0-be6d-d0798c2bc5d4 SatsiSonik 2008-10-22T04:16:04Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#66756404-8c1d-459d-8a6a-a7103fd6910b oh, snap! Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:01:00 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#66756404-8c1d-459d-8a6a-a7103fd6910b $item.owner.firstName 2008-10-20T22:01:00Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e14919c8-7fa4-4102-8bf8-fe9750a09061 So, first... I FUCKING LOVE DUBSTEP MUSIC... love it I think my love is pure instinct. Seen Skream in 2006 and was like WTF is this amazing music, dug it, but didnt get deeper till a few months later. It was Mala's set at Sym Gathering that changed my life and perception of electronic and dance music. It was as if my body went into Auto-pilot and my mind was free to open up to any feeling, thought or visual. Truly a religious experience. I have since had many experiences that I only get from the sub-low, 2-step and all the characteristics which make Dubstep a thrill to me. Maybe I was over the SF/Burn glitch sound that was the rage, maybe the sound just taps/scratchs that itch in me. Long live bass meditiation! Oh yeah, Plastician rules Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:10:44 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e14919c8-7fa4-4102-8bf8-fe9750a09061 Kev 2008-10-16T20:10:44Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#d9efcdf3-4e8f-44c4-9dd6-90dba3a0b46b [quote]Fast BPM is for people who don't know how to dance.[/quote] Guilty as charged! We don't really care if it's fast or slow, just not the same the whole way through. Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:04:48 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#d9efcdf3-4e8f-44c4-9dd6-90dba3a0b46b Ian, Alicia, and Kealii 2008-10-16T19:04:48Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9cbe8d24-e9c5-451a-b2e3-f7b720c5f0d8 Fast BPM is for people who don't know how to dance. Yeah, i said it. -troy Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:49:32 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9cbe8d24-e9c5-451a-b2e3-f7b720c5f0d8 troy 2008-10-16T17:49:32Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#157ffa87-edbc-4e51-a441-b3d6472290b0 When I hear some phat dubstep it makes me bounce and jump...I HATED it at first, and I still don't want a whole set of it (or any genre of music for that matter). But a lot of the stuff out there is boring and dark, where I think the dubstep LoLo drops is 91.6% diiirtee and thick and juicy and whompy. It's just not my ideal way to end a set. I love the way FreQ Nasty flows in and out of it....its really JUMP UP! Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:44:25 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#157ffa87-edbc-4e51-a441-b3d6472290b0 GT 2008-10-16T17:44:25Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#80994540-9ee0-4aed-bdc6-3520fbfb7367 when i hear dubstep, like I have, enough for this post to stand out to me....i remove myself from the dancefloor. I stretch, drink water, slow down and breath. Sure this is good, however I allready broke a sweat and I am ready for more. To be gloomed out of my inspiration of bass itself is a real bummer, especially when I dont go out much. In my humble opinion, A DJ's responsibility is to read the crowd and have a diverse selection of ways to "rock the house" ie. (the people on the dancefloor), if they keep that in mind, I will never leave the speaker. keep me on my toes please, my thighs are sore Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:34:10 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#80994540-9ee0-4aed-bdc6-3520fbfb7367 orion 2008-10-16T02:34:10Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#24cd03af-675f-451d-895b-aca0db5c4aec I'm just lovin' tha feedback, y'all. So where's a video of your big gig, Kealii? I'd love to see it. Oh, and may I say for Lorin that there's no way that dubstep would be a FiRsT misstep, must remember that tha man is human (methinks?). And may I say for me that I don't think that creating where you're drawn to do so is ever a misstep. There'll always be multiple sides of multiple fences and artists really owe it to themselves to create what is most pleasing to them. Flipside: you owe it to yourself to be honest about what you like and what you don't. My advice, again, is to always keep an open ear because the pretty noises will be eternally revamped. I think it rocks that you're keeping Kealii up to date on this debate, Ian, 'cause it's sure a good one for a creative kid to learn from. Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:27:47 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#24cd03af-675f-451d-895b-aca0db5c4aec Lia 2008-10-16T00:27:47Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9164a526-18a9-4b90-af46-8f9fc8bcc185 My son and I (and to an extent my wife) don't question whether or not dubstep appeals to people, is sufficiently artistic, or can provide a perfectly great dance experience, it's just that we're surprised DJ Lorin would take a stab at it. Truth be told - and this could speak to our mid-40's sensibilities - almost every song sounds the same to us, even Bassnectar's interpretation ("Heads Up"). Of course, most people we know in our age group think we're weirdos for listening to any electronic music - especially Bassnectar - and going to Burning Man anyway. To whit, DJ Lorin has created a following based on a certain sound (and positive social responsibility message) and cultivated that following over many years. That his music has been broad enough to attract two 40-somethings and inspired a nine year old to become a DJ speaks to both its power and inclusiveness (blending styles and sounds spanning multiple generations within a genre). However, the flip side of this growing fan base can be found within its success and the expectations that build because of it. A real world example is how we ourselves practically kidnap people to attend Bassnectar shows and download his music (LEGALLY, thank you!) hoping what we've seen and experienced thus far will elicit a similar response in those being introduced to it for the first time. If, after we get there, the Bassnectar sound is completely different without any sort of preparation for such a switch, we'd be predictably thrown off. This is where the crux of the experiment succeeds or fails; we either accept it and embrace such a transition or we reject it and leave. At Burning Man, we had two friends leave his Nexus set (the one preceding the sunrise set) shaking their heads the next day as they reported his "odd" selections. The set we attended at Root Society at this year's Burning Man reminded me of a Neil Young experience I had a few years ago. Neil's kind of a strange bird; you have no idea what he's going to play from night to night and he almost invariably throws out some songs that leave us all sighing (and not in a good way). One tour was based on a concept he had called "Greendale," which was a pseudo interpretation of the classic play "Our Town." Now, we figured he'd do a few songs off that release, then throw down "Rockin' in the Free World, Old Man, etc." Nope, he went on for two hours and played through the entire album, which wasn't even close to his best stuff. "The Wall," unfortunately, it wasn't, and I thought the crowd was going to mutiny. In fact, that was the last time I myself dropped cash Neil's way and can suffice it to say I'm "over" Neil Young at this point. So here we are at the next phase of the great Bassnectar experiment, right? He's gone into the studio, let his creative impulses flow, and that result is about to make its way into our world. Will those of us expecting his evolution to yield great music that captures both what we expect, while accommodating DJ Lorin's need to expand creatively be satisfied with the result? We're open to trusting it will, though walking that dubstep tightrope may bring Bassnectar's first misstep as well. Let's hope either way he learns, grows, and continues to uplift the spirits of all souls he touches. Ian, Alicia, and Kealii Denchasy PS. Kealii blushed when he read your comment! :-) PPS. Our respect and commendations to you for the way you handled that strange "I wanna battle" dude. If there's anything more boring than DJ "battles" I don't know what is! Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:16:57 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9164a526-18a9-4b90-af46-8f9fc8bcc185 Ian, Alicia, and Kealii 2008-10-15T21:16:57Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1a1f80f1-6215-49df-80c6-d58efbe0a1e1 ...I hate it when I mispell Rhythm Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:53:19 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1a1f80f1-6215-49df-80c6-d58efbe0a1e1 Shawn 2008-10-15T18:53:19Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a52ccac5-6368-4b39-9151-e5a9b96c3121 O.K. Brett, to take you up by waxing lyrical, coming solely from my own experience... The combination of frequency (which without a proper system fairly are ineffective) and polyrythms in dubstep induces a very meditative/spiritual state within myself. I can see how some could struggle to dance to it, as the rythym is more elusive, especially to western ears. The key (as always) is to let it move you, not the other way around. I love the more snakey middle eastern/ tai chi - martial arts style moves it often pulls out on the dance floor. Again, I think its hard for a vast majority of people during prime time slots (o.k. my prime time is dawn patrol, but...) because it isn't conducive to socializing or focussing alot of fast paced energy outward, which is what people are generally looking for at these times (especially when working within certain headspaces) . Its not what I would call "entertainment ". More like entrainment. I am surprised you don't appreciate this aspect of it Brett, I know you are down with the trance scence. I have never been, but from an outsiders perspective it seems like that is the draw there as well, even if the packaging looks quite different . I mean the music is just a placebo anyways, right?? wink ... *~S~* Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:49:48 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a52ccac5-6368-4b39-9151-e5a9b96c3121 Shawn 2008-10-15T18:49:48Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2748b22-9fb4-4524-9469-a4ecee8933e4 You can borrow my flux capacitor and travel back in time 5 years. There's tons of great breakbeats there. You'll love it! Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:32:13 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2748b22-9fb4-4524-9469-a4ecee8933e4 Pr3st0n 2008-10-15T17:32:13Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f32de87c-3330-4ff5-a384-c44135681513 breakbeat, dyonisus vibe ... dubstep, Babylon vibe... people can wax lyrical and explain away... but you can feel it in your fingers.. feel it in your toes.. see it on their faces... and in our clothes Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:35:06 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f32de87c-3330-4ff5-a384-c44135681513 BrettFromTibet 2008-10-15T04:35:06Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#bdecc52f-edbd-42f3-b82c-65eddd60cc7e Nice post, Ian. Your kid is DAMN CUTE. Like, make my night cute. Dubstep is kinda new and kinda weird. What's gotta reassure y'all is that it's so different from what lo's played before- and that the next thing he pulls outta that magic Cousin It head o'his is gonna probably be as far from dubstep as dubstep is from, well... everything else? Tue, 14 Oct 2008 05:52:29 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#bdecc52f-edbd-42f3-b82c-65eddd60cc7e Lia 2008-10-14T05:52:29Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#17e91eb5-2c3e-49d9-bfc6-b5b88a1c0db6 It's been awhile since I last posted in the den of the Nectariffic-ness, but alas this thread brought me back out for a quick comment (or two). First, my wife and I were lucky enough to catch Bassnectar's Root Society set at Burning Man a few weeks back and have already purchased three tix for his December 27th show at the El Rey Theater here in Los Angeles, We plan to take our son, who's a budding DJ freak at the (now) ripe old age of 10 years old. Inspired by seeing DJ Lorin three years ago, over the past year he's practiced developing his mixing skills diligently and was fortunate enough to play several summer gigs and capped things off with a set of old-school funk at LA Decompression on the Funky Munky stage. Here's a picture from LA Decom of him that's pretty darned cute, if I can brag a little: http://www.freddyandeddy.com/images/funpics/kealiidecom2008.jpg Now, to the point of this thread. UN-fortunately, DJ Lorin didn't have a show at Burning Man that was kid-accessible - time-wise - so our son missed out on seeing his favorite artist (and inspiration for getting into DJ'ing/music) this year. Being that a Bassnectar set is one of the true highlights of our Burning Man experience over the years, we were a bit surprised at the direction his show took. If recollection serves correctly, he began with the new cut "Heads Up," which I assume will be on the new release. Not being totally familiar with dubstep, I went online and listened to a bunch and I can certainly see the similarities (though Bassnectar certainly added his own stamp to it). The crowd certainly seemed to enjoy what he pumped out, though you could sense perplexed confusion as most of us tried to adjust to this quite different tenor than we're used to with the more breakbeat-oriented, high velocity Bassnectar sets to which we've grown accustomed. Personally, my wife and I had a hard time dancing to it (that video a couple posts back was pretty accurate), though that may be due to us being in our mid-40's and well past our bodies' abilities to adjust and ward off back injuries as DJ Lorin can. :-) True, we were fortunate to be on some very nice MDMA that evening, so he could've thrown down country bumfuck and we probably would've been content, but that he added new twists to the old genre of dubstep didn't win us over completely. Creating manic energy from plodding beats can't make them any less plodding. Only a brilliant mix with "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" elevated things toward the end and sent us into the late night playa with that familiar Bassnectar glow and obviously December 27th will tell us a lot about whether we'll be attending any further shows. Fast forward to getting home from Burning Man and we decided to run the "Heads Up" track by our son to gauge his reaction. First, he didn't recognize it as a Bassnectar tune until the bass line kicked in and then he got a puzzled look on his face before saying he "sorta" liked it. Not loved it, but he did enjoy the bells and whistles around the basic slow beat, though he admitted he got "bored" by it about 3 minutes in. I played him some dub step tunes for comparison purposes and he again just nodded a bit; not bad, not great. I'm not sure yet if this is one of those instances where the greatness will be found in the whole, rather than the parts (heck, when "The Wall" came out my generation didn't know WHAT to make of it), but kudos for giving it a go. In the end, I have to admire Bassnectar for taking a risk and putting together sets freshening up this bygone genre; however, it is a risk, nonetheless. The fans who've flocked to his shows and supported his efforts may not comprehend the complexity and nuance of such a challenging departure and, in the end, it will come down to the ultimate judge - the crowd's ability to find the magic in their hips and shoulders. I'm not certain it will be so for my wife, son, and I, but we're certainly willing to give it a try - we at least owe DJ Lorin that much for his years of riding the magic carpet of bass to playa heights and beyond. Peace, Ian, Alicia, and Kealii Denchasy Los Angeles, CA Tue, 14 Oct 2008 04:30:11 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#17e91eb5-2c3e-49d9-bfc6-b5b88a1c0db6 Ian, Alicia, and Kealii 2008-10-14T04:30:11Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4722e678-65fe-4e8a-b119-c94e5b76d34a finaly posted that Art of Revolution track on my page myspace.com/bassnectar cmon...is it really THAT hard to dance to??? :) Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:25:45 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4722e678-65fe-4e8a-b119-c94e5b76d34a Figment of Your... 2008-09-04T11:25:45Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5437c845-fdda-44f7-b8ed-28d4a91bf5d4 " to me dubstep is alot like minimal techno...or progressive house if heard for just 5 or 10 minutes, it's kinda dumb but when a whole set is programmed, and you really get into the subliminal and monotomous beat, it can really twist you around..... sprinkling it thorughout a set...meh bombing a full set, like skream or benga at raindance, BOOM! " -absurge A true word if ever I heard one. I recently enjoyed Bassnectar, followed by some STS9 experimentation with dubstepness/preferably whompage at the Greek Theate in Bezekley, but its not so much the genre as the feeling of the sound why hearing music that helps to move the mind, body, and soul. Two pennies thrown into the ocean of people's voices (at least you use them, whatever your side may be). Matthew Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:49:27 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5437c845-fdda-44f7-b8ed-28d4a91bf5d4 Matthew 2008-08-19T04:49:27Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a779e929-2717-4577-88e0-8c1d6ec18bb0 Wow... I just need to say... I have been quoting this thread out loud to everyone in the room... and we've been holding our sides in laughing spasmatically throughout. Good one. Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:48:14 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a779e929-2717-4577-88e0-8c1d6ec18bb0 :::stasia::: 2008-08-18T23:48:14Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#69fdc757-48cb-4146-9557-a8273534dbfe DMCA TAKEDOWN! Get get get em. Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:48:08 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#69fdc757-48cb-4146-9557-a8273534dbfe Erin 2008-08-12T17:48:08Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#7d8a821f-fa98-4841-b04c-c8df35ccf795 Haven't seen the ad (you know, giving tribe a fiver to support all the shit I've gotten out of the site over the last 5 years and all)... but I can only imagine the cheesiness. Is that the down side of signing with someone like Om, or is it a previous label partner that's playing that game? I'd feel better about ringtone cheesiness iffen you were at least getting a slice. Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:03:49 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#7d8a821f-fa98-4841-b04c-c8df35ccf795 Trilo 2008-08-04T09:03:49Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3b4238ac-0238-4ee3-be36-e5dd6c468121 and programmed monotony during the peak of a night of amazing music not good programmed monotony takeover! I hope not. Please, please oh please NO! Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:31:08 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3b4238ac-0238-4ee3-be36-e5dd6c468121 BIG $ 2008-08-01T18:31:08Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4bc7fc1c-655d-48d1-90a6-b9879c36f719 I guess I just can't grasp the programmed monotony doesn't twist me, just bores meh ears redundantly for me music is the soundtrack to life and the last thing I desire in life is programmed monotony Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:20:12 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4bc7fc1c-655d-48d1-90a6-b9879c36f719 BIG $ 2008-08-01T18:20:12Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#83622043-e756-460a-b26d-e4546e297d93 And yet at the Benga & Skream show at Mighty a while back I couldn’t stop dancing. By the way, Lorin was spotted in the crowd that night. I wonder what he thought of their set…. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:59:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#83622043-e756-460a-b26d-e4546e297d93 MJC 2008-08-01T14:59:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0b20c3e7-79ba-4f7a-b20b-1dab8dce5740 you said "meh" i *LOVE* "meh"!!!!!!! Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:40:11 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0b20c3e7-79ba-4f7a-b20b-1dab8dce5740 Figment of Your... 2008-08-01T09:40:11Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dd955c48-6ff5-4af3-8aa0-94d7ae239b13 to me dubstep is alot like minimal techno...or progressive house if heard for just 5 or 10 minutes, it's kinda dumb but when a whole set is programmed, and you really get into the subliminal and monotomous beat, it can really twist you around..... sprinkling it thorughout a set...meh bombing a full set, like skream or benga at raindance, BOOM! Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:40:18 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#dd955c48-6ff5-4af3-8aa0-94d7ae239b13 absurge 2008-08-01T06:40:18Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ae9bd55c-91f4-46b4-8a29-6489b96016ef dirkadirkastep Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:18:04 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ae9bd55c-91f4-46b4-8a29-6489b96016ef SatsiSonik 2008-08-01T01:18:04Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#391bdad0-0c67-4ec0-9f15-151fcbd5f37b > 10 minutes of Dubstep can feel like a funeral precession Dirgestep! Fri, 01 Aug 2008 01:02:43 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#391bdad0-0c67-4ec0-9f15-151fcbd5f37b Big Mike 2008-08-01T01:02:43Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5676014d-4e15-4088-aca6-1e77ba68da19 I agree with your many of your comments. Brett from Tibet For myself there is nothing that bums me out more than a rocking freaked out dance floor turned down to the droll rumble mumble of dubstep. Sure Djs got to give the peeps a break between the big parts of the set. But from observation the quickest way to get people to fold arms, stick them in their pockets or stop dancing is dubstep. 10 minutes of Dubstep can feel like a funeral precession rolling thu a dance floor. I do like the deep sound of the bass and the wobble. but the slowed down beat makes me feel like the fun is over. or I was supposed to get drug myself into a stupor to appreciate the drudging monotony. Dubstep is doing to D&B, Grime what screwed and chopped did to hip hop. It aint taking over. but like all forms of music it will evolve and change (as it should) the DJs will steal the best parts and tweak them into the next fad the purists will wince, the newbies will cheer and the music will go on Dubstep takeover? not likely. But what I am really scared of is that we are going to heard a lot bandwagon DJ crap before the hype dies down. Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:13:26 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5676014d-4e15-4088-aca6-1e77ba68da19 BIG $ 2008-08-01T00:13:26Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4add2cf4-1b02-4f0c-b85f-fec373fb284c Let's find whose responsible for said ad and get all Noriega on 'em....but instead of old Elvis and stuff, we'll blast dubstep at their house until they un-tool you. For those not in the know....back when we invaded Panama during Bush I (cuz the Bush family owns most of downtown Panama City and over the last few decades is taking out their old biz pals like Noriega, Saddam Hussein, etc), the military sat outside Noriega's pad and cranked show tunes and Elvis until it drove him crazy to the point of surrender. Dubstep-the new TOOL is psychological warfare...btw, someone I think from the RD crew once told me the sound system that was developed for the military is called RAVE or something ridiculous like that...gotta love them Warpigs. I love the term "tool" in that context to how you feel Lo. But yeah, don't let yerself feel too much like a tool, else gonna need to come fix my bike or something. We'll put ya back in the bag...the tool bag. RAVE!!! Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:51:22 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#4add2cf4-1b02-4f0c-b85f-fec373fb284c SatsiSonik 2008-07-31T20:51:22Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#14acdbec-6e59-4d10-993b-e35d64c7c02b that ringtone ad is bugging the HECK out of me 1. its just stupid :) 2. its not even something offical, so it has NOTHING to do with me...im not selling it, i get no munny 3. what is WITH that picture...i look like a tool :) Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:33:48 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#14acdbec-6e59-4d10-993b-e35d64c7c02b Figment of Your... 2008-07-31T07:33:48Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f715f3c1-e491-41a7-a0f5-1b69c69ebf90 Dubstep is the new drum-and-bass Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:21:28 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f715f3c1-e491-41a7-a0f5-1b69c69ebf90 BrettFromTibet 2008-07-31T00:21:28Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6ac9afaf-d733-4e8b-bb50-4b648a2dde92 DUBSTEP IS THE NEW TRANCE shirts on the way...... Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:17:30 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6ac9afaf-d733-4e8b-bb50-4b648a2dde92 ACKlabs 2008-07-30T23:17:30Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#999fb158-2635-4e9a-9f57-33d98b32ef88 yeah word up eskmo is great n itself without the welder!!!!!!!! Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:57:27 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#999fb158-2635-4e9a-9f57-33d98b32ef88 Chlorophil 2008-07-29T21:57:27Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#308d8715-91e4-40d1-a0be-31c5a711cab5 Of course you do, being one of the Bay Area's downtempo maestros yourself. :) I gotta agree with ya, but I really dig the Eskmo stuff, too. Brendan is an all-around musical genius. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:10:06 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#308d8715-91e4-40d1-a0be-31c5a711cab5 SatsiSonik 2008-07-29T21:10:06Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fd91ef49-b137-4bbe-b67c-091e7c2004a1 word!! i prefer the welder stuff though!! Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:00:27 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fd91ef49-b137-4bbe-b67c-091e7c2004a1 Chlorophil 2008-07-29T21:00:27Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5a4578b5-5bbb-45b5-a73e-bb06b81a3e7c I find that most dubstep is half timed, feeling like it's 70bpm, but really it's 140bpm... You know who makes great West Coast dubstep: Eskmo. http://eskmo.com/ Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:01:22 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#5a4578b5-5bbb-45b5-a73e-bb06b81a3e7c SatsiSonik 2008-07-29T20:01:22Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2d6a740-2762-4008-ad67-f5ec3897f555 Dude, there's a Bassnectar Ringtones ad with a pic of Lo on this thread. Hahahaha. Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:59:28 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2d6a740-2762-4008-ad67-f5ec3897f555 SatsiSonik 2008-07-29T19:59:28Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e18b7231-10ed-42aa-9bce-0884d35fed5d west coast dub step stuff is where its at!! some of the uk stuff is plain boring, i mean 70 bpms we are talking that is like slower than hip hop!! where the freak is the shit at 100 or 175 does it have to be 140 or 70? Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:47:15 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e18b7231-10ed-42aa-9bce-0884d35fed5d Chlorophil 2008-07-29T06:47:15Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a4377ef7-6074-457c-bc0f-84b4362e2e72 And BOOM! We're transported back in time to when those rich white men who didn't wanna pay taxes wrote that document called the federalist papers to convince the states to form a union. One of the most revolutionary ideas therein was the concept of letting factions duke it out as opposed to trying to replace variety with nationalistic monotony. Even way back then they figured that people like so many different things, and in so many different ways that it's impossible to get them to agree on anything. Thus bigger factions rule while the smaller ones are allowed to keep doing what minority-type things they do, because the smaller groups are being catered to by the bigger groups because the bigger groups need the smaller ones to become a majority. Thus nobody can do completely as they wish, but nobody gets exterminated either. CONfused YeT? If not, apply that idea to the debate we're having to come to the conclusion that *drumroll* There's so much variety in people that even Lorin (much less a government) can't please everyone, every time. And if you're in the minority you should still tune in, because (I'm sure) bassnectar loves you anyway. (And I bet Cheney loves you too, deep fried n' covered in BBQ sauce....) Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:54:21 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a4377ef7-6074-457c-bc0f-84b4362e2e72 Lia 2008-07-28T03:54:21Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2f29890-a65d-4c83-bf46-27824928ea8c lol... i think if djs went by those guidelines for a set we'd be listening to bob marley micheal jackson prince and james nrown and i'd get bored and leave.... Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:11:23 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b2f29890-a65d-4c83-bf46-27824928ea8c pufuchu 2008-07-26T22:11:23Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0267ddbb-b43e-4262-9c1c-d025ab8d888d What I'm looking for in a peak DJ set at a dance party: Destroys the dancefloor with wicked beats, funky that don't require paragraphs of explanation on how to dance to them. Stuff even my Dad or Grandma couldn't help help but freak down to. Every time. Telepathic selection of phat grooves that need no apology or philosophy, such as like "99% of this genre is no good.. and it will take between 9 to 14 months to grow on most people..." - Plays stuff that 90%+ of people like... NOT that half the crowd like, and half think is booring. --- From the response on here and the feedback I've heard at parties, dubstep can be controversial and somewhat polarizing ("can't get enough" vs. "sucks"). Similiar darkpsy.. the fast stuff that is creating a huge rift in the trance scene. Whether it's good or bad - it's a totally different frequency and vibration than the original Goa trance vibe. Some people love it, some people leave the party. Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:14:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0267ddbb-b43e-4262-9c1c-d025ab8d888d BrettFromTibet 2008-07-26T12:14:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ab7dd489-dc81-40ba-892a-352cca49fe1d i was soo disappointed in most dubstep. esp. when my friends started droppin it left and right. but...... something happened one sunday morn at LIB!?!? mucho catus medicine and Gino mothafukin cochino fucked my shit right up. now i cant' seem to get enough. although i agree that ALOt of dubstep is bbboring Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:40:08 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ab7dd489-dc81-40ba-892a-352cca49fe1d brock 2008-07-26T03:40:08Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#27aa1656-9c05-470e-8b69-0c4390979073 He is held and whispered. Just remember to let him know, in the mouth, not on the chin. He'll know what you're sayin'.... Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:45:50 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#27aa1656-9c05-470e-8b69-0c4390979073 SatsiSonik 2008-07-25T03:45:50Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#26457ba4-5dec-42f5-9ddf-50533f95c0d5 Satsi...hold my squirrel. Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:35:58 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#26457ba4-5dec-42f5-9ddf-50533f95c0d5 Groovezilla 2008-07-24T17:35:58Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1bd91e05-ddfe-4436-9236-f122b3b7c968 good fucking call ^^ a la symbiosis 2007 oh yes. i seriously communed with the divine spirit of the universe through those subwoofer stacks. i was there thru 3 dubstep sets in a row. it was perfect!!!!! djunya killed it!!!!! whew! Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:35:35 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1bd91e05-ddfe-4436-9236-f122b3b7c968 Kristen 2008-07-22T02:35:35Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6a11d9dc-8b1d-42a3-a7c0-f98bf7352e24 Those are just the lazy dubsteppers damnit! I dance like crazy! Plus, the better DJs save their more "club friendly" danceables for the events, it seems. Their records don't seem to have the faster songs with some good beats to really dance your heart out to. Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:48:30 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#6a11d9dc-8b1d-42a3-a7c0-f98bf7352e24 infamousbat ^..^ 2008-07-18T23:48:30Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#abdf5822-fced-4d4d-a141-9674593c3f7d I was a squirrel whisperer in a past life... Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:46:57 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#abdf5822-fced-4d4d-a141-9674593c3f7d SatsiSonik 2008-07-18T18:46:57Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0487bd43-3cd8-4363-802a-b75cbede2aff kwit yr frontin', posers! www.nerdcorerising.com go Nerd or go home!! Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:46:14 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#0487bd43-3cd8-4363-802a-b75cbede2aff PatFireCat 2008-07-17T03:46:14Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9232b05f-f2fe-418d-9817-8af36fd775c0 what about squirrelhop? or ninjacore? Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:37:02 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#9232b05f-f2fe-418d-9817-8af36fd775c0 pufuchu 2008-07-17T02:37:02Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#033985b0-5eb0-4eac-9e5e-cc957de071e8 Personally, I'm much more fond of muppetstep. Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:36:31 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#033985b0-5eb0-4eac-9e5e-cc957de071e8 SatsiSonik 2008-07-16T21:36:31Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fed4d0e4-12eb-47b2-992a-760f816e97a8 Let the DJ play what the DJ wants to play. Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:28:29 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#fed4d0e4-12eb-47b2-992a-760f816e97a8 shellymost 2008-07-16T09:28:29Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e06e35e7-420b-4755-9caf-e4aa0bed3ea6 "i had a special intention that night to do something different, and to leave dancers to their OWN devices, to fend for themselves, and get EXPERIEMENTAL with dancing,....hoping people would figure out how to create DOUBLE TIME DANCE MOVES even if their ears tricked them and told them it was slow...." of couse -see now- cause Lorin is keeping it real time. I can get with the dubstep vibe... it can be nice to downstep the tempo a bit sometimes and move all snakey-like. dubstep has a flavor better suited for the dawn hours, I find...a sunrise vibe. late at night, in the dark, I wanna get lost in that thumping bass and breakbeats and glitch comin through like a forcefield that moves you sonically and deeply. yeah. and sometimes your mood just isn't gonna flow with whatever the dj is offering up that night. remember- it's an offering. sometimes you strike gold...we've all had those golden moments plenny... Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:30:00 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#e06e35e7-420b-4755-9caf-e4aa0bed3ea6 chandRa LiLa 2008-07-16T06:30:00Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8d14e4e9-75b5-4797-842e-e62db72c7679 "but there was a period from about 2003-2007 that i could NOT BUY RECORDS anymore because they all sucked furiously" WORD! Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:01:45 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8d14e4e9-75b5-4797-842e-e62db72c7679 Kløne 2008-07-11T00:01:45Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#26fdbeba-1e98-47a4-845d-64ac0309cfa9 Excellent post, Lorin. I agree that 90% of every art is crap, and there is surely must even be some good dubstep out there. Really, people just like good music irrespective of Genre. But for me anyway, saying I'm a fan of any one genre of music usually means that its a genre where I can stand to pick through the 90% to find the gems. I don't mind bouncing through some uninspired breaks until Mr/Ms DJ finally hits the spot. I just don't feel like mustering with most dubstep. To each their own. (and in contrast to Brett, I do like the urban influence on west coast breaks.) Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:04:03 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#26fdbeba-1e98-47a4-845d-64ac0309cfa9 AJ 2008-07-10T22:04:03Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#234c3c69-60ba-4c95-9fea-19f640c36ef1 Higher vibes? Hmmm...I think the dj has a lot to do with that, too. You could say almost every form of dance music has higher vibes... And yeah, dubstep at sunrise seems to really work well for me, too, but please, not an entire dubstep set at primetime mainstage hours. Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:30:54 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#234c3c69-60ba-4c95-9fea-19f640c36ef1 SatsiSonik 2008-07-10T18:30:54Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#570d24cf-9a8d-407d-b6a4-3c7a542e44ee I just like the higher vibes! Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:29:59 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#570d24cf-9a8d-407d-b6a4-3c7a542e44ee PatFireCat 2008-07-10T09:29:59Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1af41c91-2c55-471c-bf20-94966105fcb9 I like Dubstep on a train , I like dubstep in the rain, but not with green eggs or spam Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:46:06 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1af41c91-2c55-471c-bf20-94966105fcb9 ~Lil John~ 2008-07-10T06:46:06Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#2563842e-c188-4513-9808-736c7e29cddf I like dubstep just before dawn, when the light is cresting but the sun has yet to rise, in the woods...ala symbiosis last year. and in case you didn't know, its perfect for practicing kung fu. (not kidding) *~S~* Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:20:11 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#2563842e-c188-4513-9808-736c7e29cddf Shawn 2008-07-10T05:20:11Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1835768a-e9b9-48ce-b1db-c854ed319761 Awww, boys, I'm glad you can get along so well ;) Hooray for respect, it's surely the greatest thing since baby coconuts... Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:23:06 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#1835768a-e9b9-48ce-b1db-c854ed319761 Lia 2008-07-10T00:23:06Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b57266ea-19ba-41f1-b09b-f3e26816c5ef I agree that most people don't feel comfortable dancing at dubstep events, and that the video you posted is generally an accurate portrayal of the crowd/dj at a dubstep show (except that, oddly, there are no billowing clouds of smoke...) However, I have seen people do some incredible dancing to dubstep. In fact, some of the best dancing I have ever seen was at Pure Filth (sometime in september I think, it was the last night at the Higgins and Mala played). The spot was absolutely packed with supporters of the underground dubstep scene, and I saw tutting, locking, and breaking that I could never have even imagined. I'm still trying to replicate some of the mindblowing dancing that I saw that night... At this point, I've been over dubstep for like 10 months, but it was fun while it lasted and I danced my ass off. Lorin - we love you. Bring it on any and every way you like =D Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:49:54 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b57266ea-19ba-41f1-b09b-f3e26816c5ef Eric 2008-07-09T18:49:54Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#bf9d98c0-716d-488a-b7c5-e6000c3478ca Lorin, I appreciate your response and your insight into the dubstep groove. But I appreciate your killer breakbeats a LOT more :) You are one of the most potent underground music forces in North America and I have been a huge fan / advocate.... so I'd hate to start staying home / not telling friends / skipping your shows (like I did for the last Denver gig) because I wasn't sure if it was going to be high vibes and easy to dance... Please take the music, evolve it wherever you feel ... just TAKE IT HIGHER... more cosmic... more intricate.. more luscious... more psychedelic...more heartfelt... more organic... more playa-fied... .more underground....more wickedly compelling to dance to... and beware of the urban trend THAT A LOT OF WEST COAST BREAKS FANS / PRODUCERS are SUCCUMBING TO - towards more gritty / simple / mainstream / alcohol-oriented / MTV / ego / ghetto / gangsta ("mob") / club tunes.... Like you.... I'm a sound geek and 99.99% of the electronic music out there just doesn't make the cut for me.... any old beats and bass won't do... it's gotta have a very special finesse and magic.. .and I know for sure you in the 00.01% who CAN deliver the potent organic nectar / dance aphrodisiac and keep it sky high... thanks and much love, brett Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:11:27 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#bf9d98c0-716d-488a-b7c5-e6000c3478ca BrettFromTibet 2008-07-09T14:11:27Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#25f6b6f6-147f-4fe5-b1fe-e9d8e7fdaf57 ps...brettfromtibet did yu like my response? i DEF want yu to feel comfortable and respected!!!!!!! holla back and lemme know Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:59:14 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#25f6b6f6-147f-4fe5-b1fe-e9d8e7fdaf57 Figment of Your... 2008-07-09T08:59:14Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8a4684f0-852f-4b14-bda6-cda2a2037d60 hi! :) im glad you brought this up first off, i hate current dubstep. its monotonous, dreary, boring, dead, bad vibe wankoff. og dubstep was the 2 step stuff that ammunition and tempa and horsepower was pumping out years ago that had snare on the 2 and the 4 of every beat, and a super thick dripping vibe...one of those cuts is on freakbeats for beatfreaks. when i first heard "the new" dubstep, i was like THATS NOT DUBSTEP! THATS DOOM METAL!!!! and it is...exact same tempo, exact same beat, same emphasis on slow, heavy, grinding crusher vibe but even my deep affection for doom did not make me excited about dubstep, cuz i coudlnt stand the damn reverb overload, the uneventful meandering, the ridiculously obligatory SPOOKY vibe, the lack of musical originality, etc etc etc. then i began finding ONE or TWO tracks that i was like... Well ill be a stuck pig in the back of a 67 dodge, this is fuckin GOOD. and even so, i just used loops of it, and mashed it up with the buildups from played out breaks remixes (ala my Bongo Bong mashup... www.bassnectar.net/podcast) and then i was working on a polka remix ( december 2006) and was like "well hellooooooooooooooo" to discover that the double time absurdity of bouncy polka can be applied to dubstep....140 bpm, not 70....and holy shit...all those ridiculous psy trance records i have that i can never play again with all the INCREDIBLE SICK sounds and samples and breakdowns...all that will fit right in too!!! WOW! and i started going apeshit. making it, collecting it, hating 95% of it. now it is a genre just like any that i am bored to tears by (electro house, glitch hop, etc) but would be a FOOOL to disregard completely because like anything, there are DIAMONDS in them there ruffs. also how nice it is after the burnout on nubreaks to have a GENRE FOR SALE AGAIN!!!!! any non DJ will not appreciate this, but there was a period from about 2003-2007 that i could NOT BUY RECORDS anymore because they all sucked furiously. now i can actually go online and spend 5 hours and find 3 or 4 seirously SICK tunes...and THAT IS FUN for a DJ!!!! :) on to more exciting points: taking the hard shuffle of 2step (which totally won me over in 2000, 2001...during the time of Float, Grampa Whams, Opalescent Egg, Rythm is, and the first real Bassnectar dancefloor tracks that WORKED at 130+ bpm) and hi passing the loop, putting the snare ONLY on the 3 (the MAIN snare) and either a breakbeat kick pattern or EVEN A 4-4 kick pattern, as long as the accent is on the 3, FOLKS>>>>>> IT PRODUCES ONE OF THE MOST FUNNEST EVER DANCES KNOWN TO HUMANKIND.... an almost sideways undulation of insane bouncing, and spring-board hopping, an exultory jiggle, THE BEST HANDSWAT EVER, and a pulse that pounds with abandon and DOUBLE TIME ENERGY so yes, 99.9% of dubstep at 70....slyt my wrists. 50% of dubstep at 140....HELL YES!!!! it BUMPUMPS!!! i dont know if there are any copies of that Bassnectar track Art Of Revolution floating around...(i hope not, it will be out in octoboer or so) but that is what i mean....and that doesnt even have the shuffle. add that hard shuffle, and yu have some Rusko shit. and anyone who can hear Cockney Thug (minus the lamer than lame vocal samples which i instantly removed) and not happily bounce around.... i dont know what to tell you. next time you hear GOOD dubstep....try bouncing double time. stick your hand up high...straight arm and let it kind of lead you like a sail. count: "one. two. THREE!!!! four. one. two. THREE!!! four." and if you really cannot feel it, then suspend judgement until the next time we cross paths, i will show you what i mean. :) lastly, and least important, but i wanted to address: sonic bloom. i was SO HAPPILY AND INTENTIONALLY mixing heavy amounts of dubstep. because for once in my life i wanted to do yet another style of mixing, opposite from what i usually do these days (which is constantly bounce genres and grind he tempos like a roller coaster) back how i used to mix when i spun psy trance.... i wanted to mix a consistent FLOW of music. so i rocked 140 for like 45 minutes, then shifted down to 70 for one song, up to 85 and rocked it at 85 for another half hour and i LOVED DOING IT i had a special intention that night to do something different, and to leave dancers to their OWN devices, to fend for themselves, and get EXPERIEMENTAL with dancing,....hoping people would figure out how to create DOUBLE TIME DANCE MOVES even if their ears tricked them and told them it was slow.... watch me if you are confused. was i dancing slow? no, i danced so hard that night i pulled a muscle in my back that is hurting to this day and which is causing me to need to stop typing right now suffice it to say, if i did sonic bloom all over again i would do it EXACTLY like that. i play hundreds of sets a year (THAT IS AN EXAGGERATION, but it fucking feels like it :) and most of them are totally different themed, or have their own motif, or a special central point they orbit around, or a certain track that leads everything else, or is purposfully self-referencing, and much more complex than it might appear on the surface (which is one of the goals...to have the intentions be subliminal, behind the curtain) ...at this point if you have been with me for a while musically, you should just trust me. and enjoy it cuz next time around it very well may be totally different. and if yu expect it to be different, maybe it will be exactly the same, and then you will be nice and practiced. NO RULES. NO LIMITS> :) suffice it to say dubstep is here to stay. like most genres most of it is un-noteworthy, super overly masculine, uninventive, and locked into a series of ultra disapointing rules and needless limits. but SOME of it is GOOOD, and there are also good lessons that can be taken from it, and applied to other genres, so be thankful for this next step in music. as for me it is definitely by no means the most current "step" ....but that will have to be something you experience live :) Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:21:01 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#8a4684f0-852f-4b14-bda6-cda2a2037d60 Figment of Your... 2008-07-09T08:21:01Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a899523e-a95b-4b9c-b741-34e748663486 thanks for that. :) Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:55:15 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#a899523e-a95b-4b9c-b741-34e748663486 AJ 2008-07-09T06:55:15Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#c790a0f2-1454-4a11-b952-92b8fbbbd2ba Oh, I can't get enough glitch. But dubstep leaves me bored. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:52:56 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#c790a0f2-1454-4a11-b952-92b8fbbbd2ba AJ 2008-07-09T06:52:56Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f6c2a8b5-4989-4734-8b4d-5bbc2050fe70 Dubstep is a lot like LSD: set and setting are of utmost importance, and it's not for everybody. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:04:01 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f6c2a8b5-4989-4734-8b4d-5bbc2050fe70 SatsiSonik 2008-07-09T04:04:01Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3ff095e7-5ed6-4271-b623-22e7b5c29863 I love dubstep and glitch (weird that you paired them together though. I don't think they're very similar) and I think they're both easy forms of music to dance to. The thick deep bass from dubstep usually reaches and shakes me from the core of my being. Its like the sound re-connects me to some tribal part of my being, and glitch is just fucking fun to dance to period. I actually think IDM in general is wayyyyyy easier AND more fun to dance to. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:55:04 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#3ff095e7-5ed6-4271-b623-22e7b5c29863 Peter 2008-07-09T02:55:04Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ca00e8f6-6a11-4ab0-be36-021e8e6bf773 I also find it difficult to dance to dubstep. This is how its done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOi-gdL58g Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:12:50 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#ca00e8f6-6a11-4ab0-be36-021e8e6bf773 Big Mike 2008-07-09T02:12:50Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#88db654f-86a9-4db5-b8c5-2ce6a73a205c More Dubstep! I can't seem to get enough. Drum and Bass too. Pendulum's new album totally shreds. Meanwhile, house is still 90% of the music I'm hearing in clubs, and I could do without that, really... Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:24:32 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#88db654f-86a9-4db5-b8c5-2ce6a73a205c G30RG3 2008-07-09T00:24:32Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#386865bb-5b11-4497-bfb0-887bded309d3 I don't think that it's a takeover. Dubstep is a relatively new phenomenon in this scene (right, music buffs? It feels kinda new to me...), and that means that it might get more air time because it's so new n' sparkly. But therein lies the beauty of electronic music- it's constantly evolving, and maybe the next sparkly thing will catch your eye -erm- ear... I think there is an earlier thread that talks about this, too. Something like "must dubstep take over the world?" as the title. I definitely feel that Lorin's sets are jam-packed with variety, and I'm sorry that you don't like glitch or dubstep, but Lorin gets the peak slots at events because most people love his art. If I'm out to dance and a DJ starts up that I don't enjoy, I take a break, get some water, and watch all the peoplez who are totally into it. What DJs play is based on their reading of the crowd, it always sucks to be in the minority of that crowd, but I seriously doubt that the evil gnomes of Dubstep have Lorin by tha ballz ;) And I think that a lot of what I like about this dude is his energy- he's soooo into it, you can tell, and the crowd can tell. A lot of what makes a good DJ doesn't come outta tha amp... Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:50:25 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#386865bb-5b11-4497-bfb0-887bded309d3 Lia 2008-07-08T23:50:25Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f1633cfa-49d6-4aad-914d-9d6c01cc03fe I agree completely. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:51:29 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#f1633cfa-49d6-4aad-914d-9d6c01cc03fe AJ 2008-07-08T22:51:29Z http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b499abf2-2147-42f8-8fa8-8a73593b7721 I saw Bassnectar at Sonic Bloom in Winter Park ,CO last month.. and I was sad to hear the set was mostly dubstep. My heart sank and I waited for the next DJ to come on... after trying hard to dance but being unable to really feel any magic in it. Just boom, boom, gloomm, vrooom, boom. I remember the same feeling when drum-and-bass started getting played in the chill rooms of rave parties, rather than ambient or trip-hop. Some people were like "wow!" and other people think it's just inferior, more urban, lower vibration music. Yeah, I know Lorin plays all types of tunes (I've heard The Cure, Shpongle remixes, swing, hip hop) and over the years he's had wicked taste....but I definitely dig the faster, cleaner breakbeat sound much, much more than dubstep and glitch shizit. I find it easier to dance, too. What do you think? What are your feelings on dubstep sets at the peak slot of parties? Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:38:59 GMT http://bassnectar.tribe.net/thread/46c8b45d-3eae-4002-b712-f82dea1c2b3a#b499abf2-2147-42f8-8fa8-8a73593b7721 BrettFromTibet 2008-07-08T22:38:59Z